I saw first hand the impact of Heysel that terrible night I was taken to the hospital with the dead and the dying. The blame for Heysel was initially laid entirely on Liverpool fans, and 14 were later found guilty of manslaughter and jailed. It seems to have been forgotten by the press however that Liverpool are owned by the Fenway Group, a conglomerate of brokers, bankers, hedge fund managers and media executives. Heysel is an unspeakably awkward subject for Liverpool perhaps more, perhaps less, for the anguish the club and the city endured four years later at Hillsborough. Nice men then. While theres not a whole lot we can about that, we can at least show some solidarity with our fellow supporters, who understand what its like to loose people so unnecessarily at a football match. At least our country's football administrators are belatedly waking up to the importance of this tragedy. Everton: 41 They have spent less than Chelsea and City, and the reason Man Utd and Arsenal havent spent is because of the Glazers and their well documented financial problems in the USA, and Wengers frugality and reluctance in the transfer market. It should be noted that Liverpool did not serve the sixth year of the ban, and were allowed back in to European competition after 5 years, denying Crystal Palace a first campaign. Travelling in their masses without tickets causing unsafe over crowding within the police cordons and fan zones. The world was appalled. junio 12, 2022. abc news anchors female philadelphia . Yet there was no minute's silence for Heysel during the final round of Premier League games last weekend, or the play-off finals. After the game we headed towards our coach, Roma fans were everywhere trying to pick off Liverpool supporters, I remember there was very little protection from the Police. Happy someone else taking a 10 year sentence for his crime. There seems to have been many factors involved and Liverpool fans do need to accept their share of responsibility. The fact is and still is, that the then Liverpool FC board blamed my club, along with West Ham and Millwall for the disaster at Heysel and to this day they have never issued an apology of any sort whatsoever. over-generalization a whole group of people, just because of the indiscretions of some mindless idiots(who are very much in the minority btw) and use it as an excuse to hate those people and wishing death upon them. I guess that was the only chance many English football hooligans had to travel abroad to cause mayhem, as their teams didnt provide them with that opportunity back then. More LFC fans like this please! NO, because it would highlight the hypocrisy of the city, and the club! That burst my happy, complacent little bubble. 33 subscribers This film tells the story of three footballing disasters and shows how they shaped the (already fierce) rivalry between Manchester Utd and Liverpool FC: Munich Disaster - 1958 (21. Prior to Heysel the violence that season was at Millwall, Chelsea, West Ham and Leeds. Sour grapes written all over it. Last match of the 1976 season, Wolves v Liverpool. We boarded the coach and there was glass everywhere as most of the windows had been smashed. It's odd that the one common factor with two of the worst disasters in football - Heysel and Hillsborough - is that Liverpool fans were involved. Thank you for this article. The stadium wasn't fit to host a game of this magnitude, the European Cup final between Juventus and Liverpool, and Liverpool fans used this as their excuse. extracts from Chris Rowlands book From Where I Was Standing As someone who attended Heysel with my dad, there are one or two omissions in Olivers wonderful piece. There is nowhere really to leave such mementos although they have always been respected. We can all be keyboard warriors and hide behind the safety of the internet when mud slinging like this arse-nal fan, but thats the cowards way. @Bob I agree it reads like a hatchet job, but it is nonetheless all factual OR AT LEAST very reliably sourced, isnt it? When Alan Smith broke his leg in 2006, those kind hearted Liverpool fans threw beer cans at the ambulance, blocked its progress, and attempted to turn it over. Training Session. The City coach windows smashed by a brick are teh third club I have seen photos for at Anfield. Sure its been a long time since we won the league, but Id like to think if we didnt win ANYTHING for nine years I wouldnt end up as butthurt as you obviously are. Brendan Rodgers is a numpty. We didnt want to play. As a British 17 year old Juve fan, I travelled to Heysel on the Liverpool train/ferry and stood on the terraces with the Livetpool fans. Turin went into mourning. There can never be justice for 39 lives lost at a football match, but it is in Turin , not on Merseyside, that the cries of the bereaved have met with silence down the years. This needs to go further. Shortly before the match began between. A total of 14 fans were found guilty of manslaughter, and given three-year suspended sentences. Liverpool: 40. Maybe we could be doing more to cement those ties, rather than it being an event that divides us. And who can forget the Michael Shields incident. Supporters told similar stories on the way home, some had been slashed on the arse and had spent time in hospital. When I came to, I was in a 24-bed ward on my own, with an armed guard at the bottom of the bed. I came home that day, a changed person, and hated football for a while. Clearly Everton and Liverpool have both benefited massively by playing hardly any games this season. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Michaels Shields? By Posted ekologisk jord storsck In felskning parkeringssensor volvo. Maybe this unwillingness to accept our part in what happened has increased other peoples eagerness to use it as a stick to beat us with over the years, albeit it often in a cheap and snidey manner at times. And not sources like The Sun either; things like the BBC, The Guardian pretty credible sources, right (though no Liverpool Echo, undoubtedly)? . Still won fuck all Cheers Stevie G!!! And they were only doing what all other English supporters were doing at that time rampaging across foreign fields and intimidating perceived enemies whenever they got the chance. Its easy for armchair supporters like this Arsenal tit to rely on hearsay and lies for his blog and to promulgate such bollocks but unless you were actually there you know fuck all! Liverpool fans did similar at the Emirates Stadium during the Champions League Quarter Final in 2008. Heysel is a huge stain on Liverpool 's history. Just to highlight how few games Liverpool have played further: Manchester City: 54 games I heard rumors of Gerrard running over a kid and it being covered up, there is no evidence of what happened. Huge success at home and abroad allowed Liverpool to compete for top players. Published by on October 31, 2021. Harsh I know but I dont think he tried to engineer it. And here I thought I had respect for arsenal fans and the respect was mutual. While one tragedy receives a national outpouring of sympathy every year, the other seems to have been swept under the rug. as a liverpool fan i found this article linked in newsnow and cant help but feel embarrassed for the decent arsenal fans out there. This got me thinking, as I am only 23 myself, to read into the Heysel disaster a bit more as it isnt covered widely by the media at all and you dont really hear about it until that day in May arrives. One real mystery surrounding Heysel is that the tragedy is even more of a taboo in Turin. There has been vitriol between Arsenal and Liverpool ever since they attempted to charge Liverpool fans 65-93 for a FA CUP 5th round tie. Try again later. Everyone hates Liverpool? . The biased Liverpool loving media, ignore this fact of how they continually `bought` their success over two decades. CTID. 1991/92 also marked Liverpool's return to European competition in the UEFA Cup after the ban imposed following the Heysel disaster in 1985 and the Reds marked their first game back with a . http://tomkinstimes.com/2013/05/heysel-25-years-on-book-extract/, Subscribe to The Anfield Wrap for more reaction to Crystal Palace 0 Liverpool 0, as well as reaction to all the news and events that matter to you, Tackling Online Homophobia In Football: TAW Special. Adesso quando penso a Liverpool mi si associano due idee molto contrastanti: i Beatles e lHeysel. On May 29th 1985, 39 people died in the Heysel Stadium after Liverpool fans charged at a wall which collapsed. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. wow, one of the most bs article i ever read. Chelsea: 52 Some of the visiting Juventus fans applauded. Jacques Georges, the Uefa president at the time, and Hans Bangerter, his general secretary, were threatened with imprisonment but eventually given conditional discharges. i normally do not like to comment but felt sick by this piece, especially by the Hillsborough jibe made by some commenters. It was a moving moment of real reconciliation. When we arrived myself and a mate got on a tram to the Vatican and was told by a Roma fan that if they won the game we would be invited to the biggest party party ever, if they lost he advised us to get of Rome quickly or we would be seriously hurt. I think there is still a lot to be said for what happened at Heysel, horrible and shocking but in my opinion Juve fans started the trouble, bricks, stones knifings all before the match. What about justice for Heysel?, they plead. I hope it has the necessary impact on mainstream media. At first, the messages were mixed. Those stampedes might have been considered standard terrace fare at the time, a token act of territorialism and intimidation, but it led innocent fans to flee in terror. Sorry, with regards to the above comment it was more 250,000+ that lined the streets to welcome the team home, still no reports of any trouble though. Gunners I respect how youve gone against this deluded blog post. sort of ceremonial blessing, like a minutes silence. What a joke! Posted on . But you cant hate the beautiful game forever and in 96 I travelled again, to Rome this time, and saw Juve lift the trophy in joyous circumstances. Change). The wall crumbled. S**ness, from what I read in the Sunday Times he is again unbiased. The second: it was English supporters who were. In Turin I asked at the tourist office about any memorial and was sent to the new ground on the edge of town. I was in section Z. I am not familiar with this chaps comments (Liverpool do it the right way) we have spent a lot of money and do little, but when it comes to finding little gems Brendan has done well. OOPS What happenned there then??? It is a black mark and it will be there forever. real madrid top assists of all time list. Can all liverpool fans who climbed over walls, barged there way past police and forced their way into Hillsborough, please hand yourself in to police. I can tell you didnt read it properly because the article is riddled with links to prove whats being said. Yeah, papers like the S&n really painted Liverpool fans with a good brush. Steven Gerrard ran over a kid There is an annual indication and vindication of such hypocrisy every time the Kop allows the Bucharest 1986 flag to proudly fly. Believe me mate its not the majority of arsenal fans. He is the Scouse John Terry. The lack of a full and proper inquiry has also led to a lot of misconceptions too it seems, particularly among younger fans. Liverpool do it right in regards to keeping season tickets and prices low, unlike Arsenal. liverpool heysel hypocrisythirteen days cast Posted by on December 20, 2021 . An excellent, thoughtful and honest piece of writing. In 2000 the city of Liverpool officially commemorated the anniversary of Heysel for the first time on the suggestion, incidentally, of Peter Millea, the chairman of Liverpool City Councils Hillsborough disaster working party. In 1989, after a five-month trial in Brussels, 14 of the 26 Liverpool supporters who stood trial were found guilty of involuntary manslaughter and given a three-year prison sentence, suspended for 18 months, and each ended up serving about a year in total in behind bars. I was there along with my brothers.. Not only did we see no riots, but the reported overcrowding was a lie as well as we had 2 seats each, which we stood up on for the whole game.Total bullshit all of these claims. The remaining ten defendants were acquitted of manslaughter, but some had their 2,000 bail money confiscated, having been absent for part of the trial. But it has started to become just a bit too frequently mentioned and I think this feeds into the general negativity towards the club. But 10 against 1 is the act of a coward regardless of what word were spoken. There are dozens of points that are usually offered to explain the context, not least over ticketing, segregation and a crumbling stadium, but the context does not begin to excuse what happened. Steven Gerrard was caught on CCTV assaulting a man in a bar, Lets stop the Gerrard love in shall we? too right. Each of the main newspapers publishes an interview with someone who survived, along with an op-ed about the quest for justice. Whenever as a group of players we get together, we never, ever mention Heysel. Stealing tickets, travelling with fake tickets and jibbing through the barriers to see Liverpool in the 2005 Champions League final. Quite your whinging and stop throwing stones. I have regularly commemorated the Heysel disaster, in Anfield, Brussels twice and Turin once in the past five years; to specifically mourn and honour the dead as we do here for Hillsborough. We made our thoughts known. A team that, even when they had WON FUCK ALL AS USUAL CHEERS STEVIE G CTID 25 YEARS AND COUNTING!! Another extract looks at how incidents amongst fans at the 1984 European Cup final in Rome the previous year may have contributed to the events at Heysel: There won't be a minute's silence before the FA Cup Final either. The prosecutions stemmed from television camera footage of the charge the third such charge in a matter of minutes that led directly to the deaths of those 39 innocent spectators. The coach driver advised us to lie on top of each other in the isle to protect us from missiles being thrown through the broken windows as we left the city. To this day neither of us will attend a Chelsea v Liverpool match. I cried in the Olimpico that night, for Juve, for me, and for the 39. Both Liverpool and Juventus as a mark of respect for the victims should do some A really well written piece on a difficult issue. You might as well say all Londoners are killers and horrible people because of Jack the Ripper! Everyone was to blame. Thanks for posting this fellas, I had not read the full piece before. There is an opportunity albeit a further year down the line next May on the unbelievably 30th anniversary I really hope we mobilise to do somethings genuine and large. But questions undoubtedly remain about the Heysel Stadium disaster, in which 39 spectators 32 from Italy, four from Belgium, two from France, one from Northern Ireland were killed in a stampede before the 1985 European Cup final between Liverpool and Juventus. Fewer games has restricted injuries, and meant that the likes of Sturridge and Sterling have been able to play at the top of the game for the entire season. Chelsea are the big club in London now, Nice to hear Liverpool respecting other disasters like the Bradford Fire at the weekend by not even acknowledging it.touch of class as usual from self pity city, I have reazd a lot valuable articles ere. after a particularly nasty derby with recriminations flying and trying to educate people to what happened, I found your article. These Liverpool fans got English football banned from Europe for 6 years after their behaviour caused the death of 39 Juventus fans at Heysel. Mi piacerebbe lUEFA tolga dalle statistiche la Juve Campione dEuropa 1985-. Well done Oliver, a truthful and painful piece of reading on a dark chapter of football. Why don't we remember the Juventus fans who never came home? The people that were found guilty of manslaughter do not represent the true values of Liverpool football club. 4. Incredible insensitivity from the club (and the parades organisers). all i can say is i hope you guys do not represent the majority of arsenal fans. Nothing. Yeah the attack on bloke in a bar was terrible and really brought him down in my estimates. As a blue born after Heysel Ive never really known the truth of what occurred that night and it has become a taboo and something you feel scared to bring up as we all want to come together in support of Hillsbrough and show a merseyside united.Very sad to think 39 families must be feeling very let down by all parties involved. Why do the club's fans sing about the 96, but not about the 39? The fact that there were obviously many other factors at play which actually contributed to the deaths, has perhaps given us an out which we are sometimes too keen to take. It makes my blood boil, as it just completely irrelevant on the 15th April, our respects are paid every year on May 30th. Non ero allo stadio (per fortuna). As a Chelsea season ticket holder for many years, I witnessed the Heysel disaster unfold in front of me on television. They will win it, but they are not the peoples favorites..its flash in the pan and will take them another 25years to win it when they have to deal with a full programme next year! What was going through our minds? As to whether individuals were brought to account, 27 arrests were made on suspicion of manslaughter and 26 men were charged. Pretty comical. His friend said bloody hell, theres been a bomb, which highlights the scale of the tragedy that was unfolding. As everyone on this page acknowledges, it has remained a very uncomfortable topic to raise, so thanks again for this balanced and enlightening piece. They were English idiot cuckoos who went along pretending to be proper football fans as they would not pass up the chance to have a pop at the continental fans. im going to run a kid over. Always think its tricky bringing up Hillsborough, because those families DO deserve justice. 2. 5. Who said Rodgers was a genius? Much kudos to you fair and balanced I wish more Liverpool fans would read it and not use the clubs sanitized version, believe the seeds for this disaster were sown the previous year. It seems difficult for the modern day football fan to understand, but hooliganism in those days was sadly normal. Their reckless behaviour is an accident waiting to happen. Look at how Everton FC and majority of their fans react and respect, they know too well it could have been them had they been drawn to play at Hillsborough and not Villa. 29th May. I am not sure there is a biased viewpoint from former Liverpool player pundits, the most biased were John Aldridge and Phil Thompson. In The Truths of Heysel a book written by Andrea Lorentini, whose father Roberto died in Brussels and whose grandfather Otello has led the campaign for the victims to be officially recognised by the club writes of the bewilderment, reticence, guilty silences and suspicion the bereaved have faced in their dealings with Juventus. Every club throughout the Premier League will have their own stories of too many Liverpool fans turning up, fake tickets, and the lack of concern many Scousers have for their own fans safety. Manchester City lost 51.6 million. All I remember of the game was being allowed to stay up especially, to watch it on TV and being shocked at what I saw. I know that this was somewhere between a knee-jerk response and an attempt to reclaim that offensive description, but it sounded awful. I am a Chelsea fan who has been going to games for over 50 years now and I vividly remember the Liverpool chairman of the time, blaming Chelsea fans for causing the violence. or is your deep seated bile based on results. Billionaires in their own right. Anybody who relies on the blogs of biased people rather than researching something themselves is a prick. And while the rejection of the olive branch met with a little consternation on Merseyside, Liverpools supporters know all too well about the type of apology that comes too late, brought by events, to sound truly sincere. I originally felt dismayed at Evertons forced European withdrawal and eventual decimation juxtaposed with Liverpools fortune. Acting as if they have got where they are based on youth and spending little is a false statement. This is no excuse for what happened that night but it does explain why a clubs fans with 21 years of spotless fans behaviour suddenly changed that night. The first: it wasn't English supporters who died. But I have always felt Liverpool FCs limited support and shirking from the truth of Heysel a disgrace. Michael Shields, yes a disgrace Graham Sankey was the real offender and one of the most hated men in Liverpool, his despicable actions cannot tarnish the name of all Liverpool fans. Memorial tributes have become such an ubiquitous part of English football that you wonder sometimes why black armbands aren't sown into the players' shirts. I agree with Athens that was shocking and shameful, we cannot just blame poor organization not to mention being given 12k tickets the actions of some fans ,made me feel ashamed. I cannot be doing with Redknapp and as someone who doesnt own sky I couldnt really comment. But how can you want to play a game of football in a stadium where people had just died? But what about Heysel, the other major tragedy involving Liverpool fans in the 1980s? Do not believe the myths put out by the biased press. Potrebbe essere la pi bella azione di Michel Platini .. Grazie per aver il tempo di rispondere e di procedere a tali commenti riflessivo. Uefa chose a ground that had been built in the 1920s and condemned in the early 1980s for failing to meet modern safety standards, which were far from stringent. Equally we dont know what was said to prompt the attack. Another fan telling the reporter that 10,000 charged the gates https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJL8EQKlv7s of course according to the TRUTH enquiry none of this had any impact on the outcome. (These, incidentally, do not tend to be described as Liverpool supporters in part because of claims at the time from John Smith, the clubs chairman, and two Merseyside councilors that National Front members from London had been responsible. Some people were coming in saying people had died, others were popping in with different messages. This article is bollocks and Im a fkn passionate gooner. Gerrard stood trial and was cleared. Juventus v Liverpool, 1985 European Cup Final, Heysel Stadium, Brussels, Wednesday 29th May 1985. liverpool heysel hypocrisy. October 20, 2021. Cheers Stevie!! This both the sanction and, it could be argued, the widespread loss of life had been coming. CTID. They are battling against the evil forces of Russian Oligarch's and Middle Eastern Oil men. Fact. The families do not want their lost ones to become a cause celebre in England , particularly not when the purpose has purely been to score points on the terraces. This is ridiculous. This is a good, well reasoned article, not afraid to pull its punches. The largest, most ludicrous myth around at this moment in time is that neutrals want Liverpool to win the league. housing authority inspection checklist. To be honest my mate a Spurs fan directed me to this site, I wasnt aware of any ill feeling from Arsenal fans towards us. Well let them have independence,and stick to a league in Merseyside,they may then win it every year. Terrible what happened but the deaths occurred from fans running away not hand to hand combat. Whilst our history is something to be proud of, it is history not the now. The second: it was English supporters who were responsible. anthony apocalypse costume; mark dellagrotte record; shohreh aghdashloo ever after; wendy's employment verification; is it haram to wear shorts to sleep And what good would it do ? Im no happier that Liverpool is top of the table but Im not making excuses for it either. One real mystery surrounding Heysel is that the tragedy is even more of a taboo in Turin. and 39 innocent victims lost their lives. Hes a young manager and makes no claims of genius. It is in a place where there is a continuous recording of singing and shouting at the Juve success and is in such a place that most folk just go straight by it. He can only speak for himself and people who he knows that feel the same way as he does: He is clearly full of hatred and not a neutral. Although I was still groggy from the op, it didnt take long for me to work out he was there for my own protection from angry Italians. A little more recognition closer to home is what they want. I could say Chelsea practically bought their champions League and Premier League successes. Arsenal: 172m. Lets see how they perform next year when they have to play twice a week. A me non neanche piaciuta lesultanza finale della mia Juventus. Chelsea lost 49.4 million. Thirty-nine people were crushed to death. Later there was a round-up of the previous European Cup campaign, in which 1985/86 was identified as a watershed because it would be Liverpool s last for some time. My stepfather had arrived late with his mate into the VIP entrance before the game and they were met with black bodybags everywhere. Liverpool are a great club, but their fans have always been a disgrace, we see it time and time again, they have no respect for any other club or its supporters and as we have all just seen after their first Premier league win in 30 years, nothing changes in the violence and destruction which was apparent in and around the City centre. The key reason why Liverpool are the neutrals favourite (although we have already debunked this myth) is due to them doing it the right way. At Anfield I originally had to search for the plaque, asking security staff, the museum and the stadium tour folk before a player who was there finally took me to it. Always the victim, never your fault! Evans recalls that the outer wall, made of cinder block, was decaying, that he was not required to show his ticket and that, long before the stampede, he saw a crash barrier in front of him crumble. So let us talk about it. By this stage, English supporters were regarded across Europe as such animals that shock was expressed at how the authorities had played into their hands. An extradition hearing in London in February-March 1987 ruled all 26 were to be extradited to stand trial in Belgium for the death of Juventus fan Mario Ronchi. Football, from that moment, would never be the same again. Its a joyless success, but the victory enabled the Bianconeri to fly to Tokyo in winter to play the Intercontinental Cup final. It was a sad day for our club, and I will never forget the fans that died then, but I was there, as a boy, and its something that will remain with me forever. Their chairman, John Smith, claimed there were lots of southern accents heard in the strands and pointed the finger at Chelsea fans and they blamed the location of the final. And yet he didnt, and I wont even waste time with the oft-circulated rumours as to why he didnt, but LFC fans just treat it like it never happened. What about the truth of what happened there?. The noise in my chelsea household when Michael Thomas scored the second at Liverpool in 1989 was incredible we loved it. funeral directors southend; penalty charge notice costs; johns manville headquarters address; Hello world! I was there. Of the clubs first European Cup triumph in 1985, it says: The long-awaited success in Europe s highest accolade was tainted with sadness Something unexplainable happened . As for the child being run over, that was dealt with by Gerrard and again, is irrelevant to Liverpool or football. 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