It was really it was a painful meeting, it was a was an eye opening meeting as well though. Jacob Ross, all the credit card that James used for personal expenses. James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, whos a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. This wasnt anything else. So then James McDonald flies in, right? He has always been a total its all about me. Because I believe in the church. Ill tell you on that Saturday, there were, we took a break, because it was a long meeting. You cant unconditionally support anybody. It was a conference call because it happened fast. But the one letter that isnt published came from Sandy Song. Pastor Platforming James MacDonald Says Strong Women with Weak Husbands Become 'Toxic' By Julie Roys December 22, 2022 5:39 pm CST 26 Comments Pastor Ryan Visconti of Generation Church in Mesa, Arizona, is attracting attention for his partnership with James MacDonald and provocative social media posts. Now, now James is saying, oh, Mancow edited this to say something that it really didnt say. And what happened and all the backroom meetings, private conversations and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? But some of these people, for 10 years or more, had been maligned. Pastor James will provide answers in upcoming featured video posts. The audio recording that the elders reference was aired on popular Chicago radio personality Mancow Muller's show.Muller, once a trusted friend and confidant of MacDonald and also a member of Harvest Bible Chapel, has used his platform recently to call the pastor out on his less-than-exemplary handling of his critics. Although as soon as, pretty much after Mancow aired it. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. And I hope I hope that a lot of people have read that and they dont owe me anything, but I hope its been healing to them. Jesus help us. I mean his letter, not just talking about the abusive behavior of James, but the things he did with the money going on African safaris with the church money. Vernick, however, believes abuse is grounds for divorce. Then, referencing his arbitration with Harvest, in which he won about $2.5 million, along with all digital and physical assets of Walk in the Word, MacDonald writes: When we won the arbitration and regained access to our teaching ministry, it was in shambleslike a model plane that had flown so beautifully, being returned with report of a crash, when in reality an envious child had dashed it against the rocks just out of sight.. If hes ok with lies, that calls into question everything he preaches. And this is when everything really started happening. And scripture is really clear that its got to be, you know, two or three witnesses. He was the second longest tenured pastor at Harvest. And youre going to hear all about what happened in those meetings and the strong arm tactics that McDonald used to try and get his way. I also dont believe girls (or boys) have to like certain colors or behave and dress in certain ways to be real girls/boys. I was thrown out of the church we gave our lives to by a group of rogue leaders, MacDonald writes. There was a whole discussion about whether he was repentant and I said, I dont know, hes not repentant. On that Haiti trip. . Yes, I agree. And lets just, for people who dont know, tell them who Rick Donald is and the position he held and his relation to James McDonald. I dont believe God makes mistakes when creating us a certain sex. And again, this was on the churchs dime. to anyone whos been a part of, of what went on. TRR reached out to Visconti numerous times for comment about his partnership with MacDonald and his provocative social media posts, but Visconti did not respond. According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. But according. And I got the text. So who is he talking about? On Thursday, the seventh, I got a text from one of the elders who said, Call me if you can before such and such a time. Theres still one more thing I want to ask about. And at this point, the letters, what had happened with the letters? Judson University is shaping lives that shape the world. You really didnt know at that point, whether he was going to get fired, or resign, or what was going to happen until Mancow Muller aired those vulgar excerpts from this hot mic recording that James McDonald didnt know he was on mic. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Its so interesting. As I saw it, this letter of unconditional support was a huge and somewhat desperate PR move on James MacDonalds part, to say, hey, look, all our leaders stand with us, I must be okay. Great! And I had already written back to Executive Committee Chairman at the time and said, we cannot say unconditional support. uterus or clean out a womb after a stillbirth (because these treatments are labeled abortions, and even that word brings out comments like yours). Its more of a social teaching of extreme patriarchal churches to protect and promote the power structure of who is God-ordained to be in charge. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. But it was dark. But as, as these excerpts of James speaking as, as James did, to so many people knew that, that this was the way he really, really spoke and who he really was. And that reminded me of something that Dan Marquardt told me. It was the elders failure. to Rick Donald. Five of the six have been published. I knew that there were hundreds of people, probably more, that were hurt that all this stuff happened. No, it wasnt edited. it's time for the cult of personality of James MacDonald at Harvest chapter to close and the actual Bible to be opened . Dan George served as an elder at Harvest Bible Chapel over a period of 10 years, actively serving on the elder board from 2010 through 2015, and rejoining the board in late 2018. What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James McDonald? You disseminated down to the elders, and then that became really the sticking point for James, wasnt it? And I remember talking to another elder and I looked at him, he was almost in tears, saying, I cant believe were not going to do what Gods word says. Any update on the James MacDonald vs Harvest debacle? Thank you. So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. And we were at a stalemate. My spouse and I and many others went to college with James in the eighties in Canada. Our marriage improved incredibly after we both agreed that neither one of us was Jesus. It looks like these contemporary churches are just fundamentalists in different garb. Julie Roys knows she published many false statements about me, false statements now proven such in a court of law, yet she has retracted nothing. How does this relate to his view of women? Its not being nice, polite, or inoffensive. Christians should stop feeding these people. So they have no idea what they really these, the elder board was large and had no idea really who James MacDonald was, am I right? And theres Ephesians 5 about exposing the unfruitful works of darkness having nothing to do with those. But he demanded that he be flown home on a private jet. Hes like the whole the whole thing was about resigning. In June, he posted a picture with 2022 GOP gubernatorial nominee Kari Lake. But for us not to act would be unbelief. I wrote back to her, and I apologized to her. The pastor of the largest church in Minnesota (around 23,000 average . James MacDonald and Harvest: Years of Discord . The whole crooked machine needs to be brought down. And it was just a deep sadness, deep sadness. Of it could be that shes been taken in by him. I think of a few things Julie. To donate, click here. And that would have been right before you came back on the board. Divorce is a civil remedy that is necessary when there is abuse, physical, emotional, financial, or even when people are incompatible. It was a large elder board. None of my sources said it was wrong. I just thought, yeah. I totally get the emotion that you must have felt because I felt it, too. I dont understand how folks in a church can continue to contribute to the church knowing that a significant portion of their contributions have gone / are going to line someones pocket in this dispute. Hes a large imposing man. James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, who's a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. Later that night, or first thing you know, into the wee hours of the next morning, the communication was out to the people of Harvest, and it was over. The devil is at work. My husband really appreciates James McDonalds preaching against my better judgement I told him about the new messagesso we have the Advent message from his Home Church network cast to the TV I had planned to leave the room so I didnt have to watch it I have to tell you he sounds sincere (without wax) I find the whole situation so heart breaking and confusing. We did not hurry. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. It was demonic. MacDonald adds, Of the more than 4000 Change Partners once faithfully supporting our efforts monthly, there are now about 150the remnant from which we seek to rebuild. He then invites people to send him gifts. You know, while while I was an overseer, I didnt know it. Well, Dan, like I said, on an earlier podcast that I had with Mancow Muller, I was hoping to be done with James McDonald and reporting on Harvest months ago. Literally more than two dozen people. Thats even though MacDonalds former megachurch, Harvest Bible Chapel, disqualified MacDonald from public ministry in 2019 for a pattern of sinful behavior.. And to hear that, its still got to be pretty tough to stand up to that, or at that point where you like, now I know the truth, Im moving forward. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. But like I said, Hes really working hard to rewrite history. Wives submit to your husbands. We knew what we knew what we were going to do. But somewhere around 2008-10 his preaching changed a bit. Yet he notes that only a small number of former listeners responded positively. Others, who stumbled by the public deception sent many hateful words.. And I said, I understand that. Were supposed to approve this budget, and we dont even have a line item. It was a heated discussion about letters and who should have the letters who should read the letters, etc., that night. Because Im not a quiet guy in meetings. And everyone who stayed just drank the Kool-Aid. He was like he started appealing the process. The Asbury Revival Is Over. And we talk about that Scripture and quote it over and over again. I still dont understand all sides of the transgender issue, but can say 2 things: 1. And that was actually the night we went, we went into the I think we went to one oclock in the morning and actually walked through whether James McDonald was qualified as an elder. I followed up with this text but Julie did not respond immediately to my request for a comment. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Today the guys share their conversation with journalist, author, and speaker Julie Roys. And there was a group and we had two prayer meetings of people who had been former elders, staff people who have gone on the record with me. But again, reading those letters, and it does have a different impact when you read the actual letter than someone summarizes it. Julie Roys lives for her anti gospel, anti authority, man hating bias - even partnering with shock jocks like Mancow Muller or worse. If you read his letter, he was going to publish his letter. I knew that I wasnt going to win any arguments in the room. I knew letters were coming to the elder board per First Timothy 5. I need to repent. In an email to The Roys Report (TRR), Vernick noted that in the Old Testament, Abigail, the wife of the boorish and immature, Nabal, was a strong woman, married to a weak characterand she wasnt toxic. Church, Ministry News And I remember a comment being made. And thank you for loving our Lord and showing the way. The leaders in our church spoke like KJ era British people when they prayed, I always wondered why. And as people rotated through, there were newer people on the board, and they wouldnt have really had a lot of access to to James McDonald. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Tell Harvest Church board hows the fruit now? And he was the elder who insisted that scathing letters written by former and current staff at Harvest actually reached the members of the board. A man of God who just wanted to take a vacation with his family, has the right to use church money which is his only source of income. Like this had been a months long drawn out battle. *, In an email to TRR, Gregoire claimed that Viscontis view about women does not match the research. I mean, I got exonerated rather quickly. You know, Ive been here the whole time. Come out of her, my people. I remember one other elder leading over to me and said repentant people dont ask for money. Hear the dramatic and sovereignly orchestrated story of how MacDonalds actions finally came to light at Harvest. Im not positive on that. However as I grew in age and hopefully in wisdom, I consulted other versions of the Bible. Well, again, joining me today is Dan George, a former elder at Harvest, and one of only two former elders whos apologized to me personally, for some of the nasty things that were said about me when I was reporting on the church and James McDonald. Theres 30 men in the room. Had they reached all the elders at this point? I did not. Yes, it is. But one of the circumstances hes talking about, hes talking about something specific where Id stood up for him in a meeting years ago. And I got it. Gary Weigel, if you total all the expenses including vet bills, it might be more than a tithe. I wish I didnt. Then the board announced its executive committee would be resigning over the next few months. Just saying a lot of vile things. And there was a voicemail from one of the pastors at Harvest, in a really sort of pushing for me to sign that put my name to that. In a recent Instagram story, Visconti, pastor of Generation Church in Mesa, claimed abuse is not a biblical justification for divorce. And in an Instagram post on November 21 that received 5,621 likes Visconti wrote: A weak woman with a strong husband will become a strong woman. James MacDonald (born October 4, 1960) is a Canadian-born evangelical Christian pastor, television evangelist, and author. It just seems that the church of the USA is a joke. And and its sad to me other than when they did finally, the former elders apologize for the lawsuit that was brought against me. The elder board is still in the dark. Harvest Bible Chapel Sues Former Members, Julie Roys for Defamation; Harvest Bible Chapel's chief information officer allegedly stole $270K; Harvest Bible Chapel to launch 'Freedom House' 90-day residential addiction recovery program ; James MacDonald Reflects on 30 Years in Ministry, #MeToo, Millennials and Future of Faith in the US I talked to other people who told me of demands that he made for private jets on numerous occasions. Its almost like he got a bit weird with elephant conference and his new ministry associations as he left the Gospel Coalition and jumped into the Prosperity group. Hes asking for money. And what happened in all the backroom meetings, private conversations, and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? So this is going to be a fascinating podcast. Ill tell you one thing, Julie. For narcissists, attracting attention is the point. Like so many other cradle to present churched people, all I ever knew was the KJV Bible. It didnt sit right with me when I heard about it, that the church was suing you, and the Mahoneys, and the Bryants. That was positioned as an attack from the start. He also advertised an upcoming GrampCampan overnight retreat providing training and tools for grandparents to connect with their grandkids. He was the senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, United States [1] [2] and was the host for the church's former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word . And I was muted on my phone. I dont know how many people had heard of it. Thank you for taking the stand that you did. This is James said what he said. And I just asked the Holy Spirit to show me You have to show me You have to show me whats going on. One, its impossible, and were gonna get killed, were gonna get slaughtered on that. It is grounds for separation but not divorce., This view is popular in fundamentalist Christian circles. Julie, are you saying that you support trans mutilation/murder of pre-born children/and are against conservatives? Its impossible to take evangelicals seriously. This man has been your pastor for decades. And again, Im going from memory, but also from what Ron Duitsman recently said. Christian counselor and author, Leslie Vernick, took exception to Viscontis post. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Thank you for loving the Church and the Lord God Almighty, to take the hard but righteous way rather than the hard way. Why is that? I see that as just simply implicating a larger group and a conspiracy to use church money for stuff that was never intended. And it was a pretty tough meeting. Hi. I dont know whether its the way way down or the way back Id have to reread the letter, but I mean, they stopped and went to the DR,. Also, in addition to those, you have the letter that was written by eight former elders at Harvest, who brought them in 2012, to the elder board, and within 24 hours, were excommunicated for bringing charges against James McDonald. And if I can give you a context, where I was in my thought process, in that. Yeah Cynthia. Well, because Scripture says you do it in front of everybody. And I read all these verses, and we were talking about it. Honestly dont to this day. And by that time Harvest was 30, in its 31st. The senior pastor at my church moved into town in 2014, and bought a home in proximity to the church for $260,000. Ive listened to the entire recording. No one takes joy in doing this. And had those letters not reach the board, its hard to say where James McDonald would be today. And now think about this. I remember waking up that morning. In this episode of The Roys Report, former Harvest elder, Dan George, joins Julie to tell the real story of MacDonalds firing. 2. Receive E-Devotionals and Ministry Updates. I did not cover my iniquity. So walk us through the drama of that weekend, James McDonald trying to save his job. Is that how it went down? She wanted me to look at it. And you then forwarded them to the elder board. And you have James McDonald coming in, from the United States, getting off the plane for a little bit, doing a few meetings, which I guess he complained about doing. And so I was pulling into the garage, and I knew I knew, as soon as I pulled in the garage, you know, I was, I was gonna go drive up to whatever floor and go to the meeting. Voice of James MacDonald Believed to Be Featured in Vulgar Comments. But so much else not owned. And there were meetings on Wednesday, where James McDonald was informed of the decision of the elder board. (Proverbs 27:12). There was a push for him to be able to resign, and to negotiate on several points that we now know what have you know, let him walk away with millions of dollars. According to Harvest Bible Chapel pastor James McDonald, former Moody Radio host Julie Roys and bloggers Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant published and helped publicize false and damaging financial . It was a four hour meeting. But he starts arguing process. I feel that our beginnings, KJV or influences kept many people locked in to the Old Testament, with all of its Thou Shalt nots. One person suggested reading the New Testament first for a change and then read the Old Testament for the beginnings, the stories and allegories and basically manmade superstitions and misogynies. The only joy in doing this is we would be obeying Gods word. I really am so very sick of these self-righteous, insensitive, insulting church leaders who think they are the only ones who have a hardwire connection to God preaching on the subject of wives submit to your husbands while they leave out the husbands responsibility to love their wives as Christ loved the church. I encourage you to talk to Christian doctors who are fearful of extreme under no circumstances legislation that now forces molested preteens to give birth, and makes it difficult to treat a septic I mean, even though at this point, your eyes have been opened. Rick, Donald actually had talked to me after the meeting and said, how much that meant to James. Yeah, I got sued, but the case got dropped. And James, recently, in this video that he posted, said that there was an elder, in these meetings, he says, its very, very disparagingly who, who was holding his Bible and kept reading scripture. You did you have any idea that that this was out there, and might get aired? But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. She was powerful and wise., Similarly, popular marriage and sex author, Sheila Wray Gregoire, wrote to TRR, The idea that a man can only be happy in a marriage when a wife is weaker than him shows that his idea of manhood is an extremely fragile one., As reported by TRR earlier this week, Visconti has publicly announced that he is being mentored by James MacDonald, and MacDonald has preached at Generation Church numerous times this past year. There was just an absolute refusal to rebuke him publicly. However, an email that I got, that Duitsman had sent out and then it was leaked to me, said that what Duitsman was upset about was the fact that the elders were admitting that they had failed. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And they were praying in earnest this entire time. Unfortunately, immature children in grown mens bodies seems to be a thing now. These were people bringing charges against an elder. It was a battle in the natural but more than that, there was a spiritual battle going on then, and I think its still going on now. And I sat down on the couch in my office and cried. I at least heard of it from somebody by that point. Can you say what was in that letter? There was a spirited discussion of the letters and who should be able to read the letters. And with that opening, I felt like it was confirmed. And I actually requested the letter from Sandy, because Sandy had shared some things with us about what she had seen. God will deal with him. And so really appreciate that and appreciate the time at which you did that. And, and the drama begins. But the other letters, my understanding is they came in, and youre in a meeting with the other elders. And to give you the flavor of the meeting, when I walked in the room, and we all greeted each other, we were in the former executive pastors office around an oval table, and James McDonald sitting across from me. There were voices raised. (We're a church of around 4,000 members & regular attenders.) Yeah. We had a group of Pastors who interviewed him and he gave us free tickets to his Straight Up conference. So were in the meeting. And they started reading scripture about the qualifications of the elders. John MacArthur, for example, has preached, Scripture does not automatically permit divorce in the case of a physically abusive husband. Instead, MacArthur urges abused wives not to provoke any circumstances that will make your husband become violent. But if he continues to be abusive, The wife should remove herself from danger by fleeing the home if necessary.. And then he apologized. To donate, click here. If youd like to find me online, just go to Julieroys.com. We brought up several things from the letters with James McDonald that night, and he was just dismissing everything we brought up. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! Her articles have appeared in numerous periodicals. When I entered my UCC church-sponsored college, I figured out why. Divorce sadly acknowledges the truth. How can we approve this? Shame on you for reading scripture! Jared Prayed for you just now. I was at work. 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